02463+0026 SKF 1930 BC

 
 
02h 46m 16.14s +00° 26' 13.9" P.A. 42.00 sep 0.9 mag 17.50,17.50 Sp M3
 
 
Coord 2000 02463+0026 Discov num SKF1930 Comp BC Coord arcsec 2000 02 46 16.14 +00 26 13.9
Date first 2002 Date last 2015 Obs 3
Pa first 45 Pa last 41.5 P.A. Now (θ) 41.5°
Sep first 0.9 Sep last 0.897 Sep. Now (ρ) 0.897"
Mag pri 17.50 Mag sec 17.50 delta mag (ΔM) 0 Spectral class M3 (red)
Pri motion ra -007 Sec motion ra
Pri motion dec -085 Sec motion dec
Notes W
Nature of this double is uncertain.
 
 
OTHER CATALOGS AND DESIGNATIONS
 
 
Constellation Cetus
 
 
WDS 02463+0026 SKF 1930 BC : NOTES
 
 
No records found.

 
 
REFERENCES
 
 
refcode metd author reference
Skf2000 Ma - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2000 Webb Soc., Double Star Circ. 8, 2000 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2002 C - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2002 private communication, 2002
Skf2002 (measure based on 2MASS data, may not be properly precessed)
Skf2003 - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2003 private communication, 2003 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2004 - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2004 private communication, 2004 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2004 (coordinates and identifications for Stock & Wroblewski pairs)
Skf2005 C - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2005 private communication, 2005 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2006 - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2006 private communication, 2006 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2006b Pa - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2006b private communication, 2006 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2006b (data mining of Stephenson, C.B., AJ 91, 144, 1986) 1986AJ.....91..144S
Skf2006c Po - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2006c private communication, 2006 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2006c (data mining of Joy & Abt, ApJS 28, 1, 1974) 1974ApJS...28....1J
Skf2007 - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2007 private communication, 2007 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2009 E2 - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2009 private communication, 2009 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2010 C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2010 +E+ private communication, 2010 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2010 +Pa
Skf2011 C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2011 +E+ private communication, 2011 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2011 +H+
Skf2011 +M+
Skf2011 +P+
Skf2011 +T
Skf2011b Pa j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2011b +E+ Webb Soc., Double Star Circ. 19, 2011 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012 A j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012 +C private communication, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012 +E+
Skf2012 +H+
Skf2012 +P+
Skf2012 +T+
Skf2012b C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012b private communication, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012b (measure calculated from component coords in Alcock et al., ApJ 562, 337, 2001) 2001ApJ...562..337A
Skf2012c Ci - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012c private communication, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012c (measure calculated from component coords in FLX2006) 2006ApJ...639..816E
Skf2012d Pa j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012d private communication, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012d (measure calculated from component coords in Fresneau et al., A&A 469, 1221, 2007) 2007A&A...469.1221F
Skf2012e C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012e private communication, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012e (measure calculated from component coords in Slesnick et al. 2002) 2002ApJ...576..880S
Skf2012f C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012f +H private communication, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012f (measure calculated from component coords in Romano et al., A&A 488, 1221, 2008) 2008A&A...488.1221R
Skf2012g C - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012g private communication, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012g (measure calculated from component coords in Trullols et al. 1997) 1997A&A...324..549T
Skf2012h C - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012h private communication, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012h (measure calculated from component coords in Herbig, ApJ 497, 736, 1998) 1998ApJ...497..736H
Skf2012i H - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012i private communication, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012i (measure calculated from component coords in Najita et al. 2000) 2000ApJ...541..977N
Skf2012j C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012j private communication, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012j (measure calculated from component coords in Luhman et al. 2003) 2003ApJ...593.1093L
Skf2012k C - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012k private communication, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012k (measure calculated from component coords in Cohen et al. 2004) 2004AJ....127.1602C
Skf2012l C - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012l private communication, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012l (measure calculated from component coords in Littlefair et al, MNRAS 358,341,2005) 2005MNRAS.358..341L
Skf2012m H - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012m private communication, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012m (measure calculated from component coords in Lada et al., AJ 131, 1574, 2006) 2006ApJ...131.1574L
Skf2012n C - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012n private communication, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012n (measure calculated from component coords in Mayne et al. 2007) 2007MNRAS.375.1220M
Skf2012o E - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012o +E2 private communication, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012o (measure calculated from component coords in Poleski et al. 2011) 2011AcA....61..199P
Skf2012q C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2012q +E+ Webb Soc., Double Star Circ. 20, 2012 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2012q +H+
Skf2012q +Mr
Skf2012q +P+
Skf2012q +T
Skf2013 A j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2013 +C private communication, 2013 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2013 +E+
Skf2013 +H+
Skf2013 +Ma
Skf2013 +P+
Skf2013 +T
Skf2013b C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2013b +E+ Webb Soc., Double Star Circ. 21, 2013 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2013b +H+
Skf2013b +P+
Skf2013b +T+
Skf2013c E - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2013c +Pa private communication, 2013 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2013c (measure calculated from component coords in Galadi-Enriquez et al. 1998) 1998A&AS..131..239G
Skf2014 C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2014 +E+ private communication, 2014 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2014 +H+
Skf2014 +P+
Skf2014b C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2014b +E+ Webb Soc., Double Star Circ. 22, 2014 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2014b +H+
Skf2014b +M+
Skf2014b +P+
Skf2014b +T
Skf2014c E - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2014c +Pa Webb Soc., Double Star Circ. 22, 2014 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2014c (measure calculated from component coords in Galadi-Enriquez et al. 1998) 1998A&AS..131..239G
Skf2014d Pa w Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2014d Webb Soc., Double Star Circ. 22, 2014 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2014d (measure calculated from component coords in Fresneau et al., A&A 469, 1221, 2007) 2007A&A...469.1221F
Skf2015 C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2015 +E+ private communication, 2015 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2015 +H+
Skf2015 +P+
Skf2015 +T
Skf2015b C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2015b +E+ Webb Soc., Double Star Circ. 23, 40, 2015 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2015b +Hw
Skf2015b +P+
Skf2015c C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2015c +E+ Webb Soc., Double Star Circ. 23, 49, 2015 (may not be properly precessed)
Skf2015c +H+
Skf2015c +P+
Skf2015c +T
Skf2015d C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2015d +E+ private communication, 2015 (list 38; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2015d +H+
Skf2015d +P+
Skf2015d +T
Skf2015e C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2015e +E+ private communication, 2015 (list 39; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2015e +H+
Skf2015e +P+
Skf2015e +T
Skf2016a C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2016a +E+ private communication, 2016 (list 40; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2016a +H+
Skf2016a +P+
Skf2016a +T
Skf2016b Pa j Skiff, B.A. (measure in Csr2016) ...................
Skf2016b +P Webb Soc., Double Star Circ. 24, 40, 2016
Skf2016b +E2
Skf2016b +Ht
Skf2016b +Eu
Skf2016b +C
Skf2016b +Hw
Skf2016b +Er
Skf2016c P+ j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2016c +C Webb Soc., Double Star Circ. 24, 43, 2016
Skf2016c +E+
Skf2016c +H+
Skf2016c +P+
Skf2016c +T+
Skf2016d C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2016d +E+ private communication, 2016 (list 41; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2016d +H+
Skf2016d +P+
Skf2016d +T
Skf2016e C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2016e +E+ private communication, 2016 (14 June email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2016f C - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2016f +E+ private communication, 2016 (list 42; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2016f +H+
Skf2016f +P+
Skf2016f +T
Skf2016g C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2016g +E+ private communication, 2016 (list 43; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2016g +H+
Skf2016g +P+
Skf2016g +T
Skf2016h Hg - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2016h private communication, 2016 (1 December email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2016i Hg - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2016i private communication, 2016 (20 December email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2016j Hg - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2016j private communication, 2016 (24 December email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017a C+ j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017a +H private communication, 2017 (13 January email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017b Hg - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017b private communication, 2017 (14 January email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017b
Skf2017c C+ j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017c +E+ private communication, 2017 (30 January email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017c +H+
Skf2017c +P
Skf2017d Hg - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017d private communication, 2017 (26 Febuary email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017e C+ j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017e +P private communication, 2017 (9 March email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017f E+ - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017f +H private communication, 2017 (24 May email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017g P+ u Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017g +C+ Webb Soc., Double Star Circ. 25, 62, 2017
Skf2017g +E+
Skf2017g +H+
Skf2017g +T
Skf2017h Hg - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017h private communication, 2017 (24 June email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017i H+ w Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017i +P+ private communication, 2017 (11 July email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017i +E+
Skf2017i +C
Skf2017j H+ w Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017j +P+ private communication, 2017 (15 July emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017j +E
Skf2017k C+ - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017k +E+ private communication, 2017 (17 July emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017k +H
Skf2017l C+ - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017l +E+ private communication, 2017 (18 July emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017l +H
Skf2017m P+ w Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017m +E+ private communication, 2017 (20 July emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017m +H+
Skf2017m +C
Skf2017n E+ - Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017n +H private communication, 2017 (25 July emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017o E+ w Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017o +P+ private communication, 2017 (20 August emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017o +C
Skf2017p E+ j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017p +P+ private communication, 2017 (2 October emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017p +C+
Skf2017p +H
Skf2017q E+ w Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2017q +P+ private communication, 2017 (3 October emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2017q +H
Skf2018a E j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2018a private communication, 2018 (18 January emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2018b E+ j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2018b +C private communication, 2018 (10 February emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2018c E+ j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2018c +C private communication, 2018 (16 February emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2018d E+ j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2018d +C private communication, 2018 (6 March emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2018e E+ j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2018e +not private communication, 2018 (15 March emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2018f not j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2018f private communication, 2018 (9 March emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2018g Hg j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2018g private communication, 2018 (20 March emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2018h H j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2018h +E private communication, 2018 (6 April emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2018i H j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2018i +P private communication, 2018 (19 October emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2018j H j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2018j +P private communication, 2018 (24 November emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2018k H j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2018k +P private communication, 2018 (19 December emails; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2019a H j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2019a private communication, 2019 (16 July email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2019b H j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2019b private communication, 2019 (6 August email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2019c j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2019c private communication, 2019 (16 August email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2019d H j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2019d private communication, 2019 (11 September email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2019e H+ j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2019e +E private communication, 2019 (30 July email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2019f C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2019f +E+ private communication, 2019 (list 44; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2019f +H+
Skf2019f +P+
Skf2019f +T
Skf2019g Z j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2019g private communication, 2019 (8 October email)
Skf2020a C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2020a +E+ private communication, 2020 (9 March email; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2020a +H+
Skf2020a +P
Skf2020b C j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2020b +E+ private communication, 2020 (list 45; may not be properly precessed)
Skf2020b +H+
Skf2020b +P+
Skf2020b +T
Skf2020c Hg j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2020c private communication, 2020 (5 August email)
Skf2020d Hg+ j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2020d +Ek private communication, 2020 (23 August email)
Skf2020e Hg j Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2020e private communication, 2020 (31 August email)
Skf2020f E Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2020f private communication, 2020 (22 November email)
Skf2021a Hg Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2021a private communication, 2021 (13 March email)
Skf2021b H+ Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2021b +E+ private communication, 2021 (15 November email)
Skf2021c Hg Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2021c private communication, 2021 (16 December email)
Skf2022a E Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2022a private communication, 2022 (12 September email)
Skf2022b Hg Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2022b private communication, 2022 (28 September email)
Skf2022c E Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2022c private communication, 2022 (17 October email)
Skf2022d E Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2022d private communication, 2022 (12 December email)
Skf2022e Hg Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2022e private communication, 2022 (19 December email)
Skf2023a Hg Skiff, B.A. ...................
Skf2023a private communication, 2023 (28 February email)
 
 
WDS HISTORIC DATA
 
 
coord_2000 discov_num comp epoch obs pa sep mag_pri mag_sec spectr notes coord_arcsec_2000
02463+0026 SKF1930 BC 2015 3 42 0.9 17.50 17.50 M3 W 024616.14+002613.9

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WDS 02463+0026 SKF 1930 BC : VISUAL OBSERVATIONS REPORTS
 
 
No records found.


 
 
WDS 02463+0026 SKF 1930 BC : MEASURES
 
 
No records found.

 
 
WDS 02463+0026 : VIRTUAL EYEPIECE
 
 

02463+0026 SKF1930B mag 17.5 Sp M3 02463+0026 SKF1930C sep 0.9 P.A. 41.50 mag 17.5 virtual eyepiece
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Radius:
Components only
 
 
WDS 02463+0026 : ALADIN DSS IMAGE @ 02h 46m 16.14s +00° 26' 13.9"
 
 
 
 
WDS 02463+0026 SKF 1930 BC : NEIGHBORHOODS
 
 
FoV:
Limit:
Primaries only


02463+0026  SKF1930BC distance=1' 02467+0042  SKF2829 distance=18' 02451+0026  RST4750 distance=19' 02468-0009  UC  807 distance=19' 02474-0012  SKF2833 distance=23' 02484-0038  SLW 133 distance=34' 02443+0047  OSW  33 distance=37' 02487+0002  HDS 366 distance=45' 02492+0040  A  2412 distance=47' 02461+0114  OSW  34 distance=48' 02455+0133  HLD  64 distance=68' 02509-0026  HEI  98 distance=71' 02455+0137  UC  797 distance=72' 02510+0047  WAA  25 distance=75' 02513-0014  OSW  24 distance=77' 02412-0042  STF 295 distance=78' 02477+0142  A  2411AB distance=79' 02477+0142  A  2411AC distance=79' 02514-0041  RST4752 distance=80' 02501+0138  BAL1257 distance=92' 02399-0041  TDS2325 distance=97' 02399+0009  A  1928 distance=98' 02513+0128  SKF 195 distance=99' 02520+0110  GRV 994 distance=101' 02480-0108  GRV 993 distance=102' 02397+0055  GRV 138 distance=102' 02531+0013  SKF1677 distance=104' 02512+0141  A  2338 distance=105' 02392-0016  GWP 350 distance=107' 02513+0142  VOU  36 distance=107' 02535-0034  LDS5399 distance=110' 02405+0139  BAL1255 distance=114' 02474-0127  KPP1181 distance=115' 02425-0119  BAL 279 distance=121' 02385+0058  BAL 959 distance=121' 02544-0030  GWP 390AB distance=123' 02544-0030  GWP 391AC distance=123' 02520-0105  SKF1604 distance=126' 02471-0142  BAL  18 distance=129' 02408-0114  CVR1110 distance=130' 02377+0003  UC  765 distance=131' 02550-0029  MMA  33 distance=131' 02541+0126  BAL1258 distance=133' 02550-0053  BAL 280 distance=135' 02371+0055  LDS5388 distance=135' 02421-0134  OL    9 distance=137' 02373-0058  UC  764 distance=139' 02536+0153  SKF1520 distance=141' 02516+0224  A  2339 distance=143' 02369+0106  TDS2302 distance=146' 02447-0158  STF 303 distance=146' grafico limitrofi
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Show name coord_2000 discov# comp pa sep dist(')
Show 02463+0026 SKF1930 BC 42 0.9 1
Show 02467+0042 SKF2829 191 18.3 18
Show 02451+0026 RST4750 158 3.2 19
Show 02468-0009 UC 807 22.9 19
Show 02474-0012 SKF2833 252 2.2 23
Show 02484-0038 SLW 133 328 119.4 34
Show 02443+0047 OSW 33 102 28.9 37
Show 02487+0002 HDS 366 27 1.3 45
Show 02492+0040 A 2412 105 0.4 47
Show 02461+0114 OSW 34 270 38.9 48
Show 02455+0133 HLD 64 219 5.2 68
Show 02509-0026 HEI 98 126 0.9 71
Show 02455+0137 UC 797 194 3.7 72
Show 02510+0047 WAA 25 220 2.9 75
Show 02513-0014 OSW 24 48 41.4 77
Show 02412-0042 STF 295 302 3.9 78
Show 02477+0142 A 2411 AB 280 0.4 79
Show 02477+0142 A 2411 AC 9 2.1 79
Show 02514-0041 RST4752 48 1.8 80
Show 02501+0138 BAL1257 270 8.4 92
Show 02399-0041 TDS2325 163 1.3 97
Show 02399+0009 A 1928 244 0.2 98
Show 02513+0128 SKF 195 45 3.5 99
Show 02520+0110 GRV 994 133 13.6 101
Show 02480-0108 GRV 993 108 17.5 102
Show 02397+0055 GRV 138 52 32.6 102
Show 02531+0013 SKF1677 170 1.7 104
Show 02512+0141 A 2338 21 0.2 105
Show 02392-0016 GWP 350 186 12.1 107
Show 02513+0142 VOU 36 11 0.3 107
Show 02535-0034 LDS5399 32 27.5 110
Show 02405+0139 BAL1255 103 4.0 114
Show 02474-0127 KPP1181 213 9.2 115
Show 02425-0119 BAL 279 41 6.1 121
Show 02385+0058 BAL 959 33 19.0 121
Show 02544-0030 GWP 390 AB 305 19.3 123
Show 02544-0030 GWP 391 AC 209 116.6 123
Show 02520-0105 SKF1604 78 1.7 126
Show 02471-0142 BAL 18 352 9.2 129
Show 02408-0114 CVR1110 146 4.3 130
Show 02377+0003 UC 765 104 17.1 131
Show 02550-0029 MMA 33 337 18.2 131
Show 02541+0126 BAL1258 299 2.3 133
Show 02550-0053 BAL 280 275 2.6 135
Show 02371+0055 LDS5388 234 13.9 135
Show 02421-0134 OL 9 330 2.9 137
Show 02373-0058 UC 764 263 51.8 139
Show 02536+0153 SKF1520 283 4.8 141
Show 02516+0224 A 2339 342 3.5 143
Show 02369+0106 TDS2302 63 0.5 146
Show 02447-0158 STF 303 183 5.8 146

 
 
WDS 02463+0026 : COMPONENTS
 
 
  B
C pa=41.5°
sep=0.90"
 
 
02463+0026 B
 
 
Coord arcsec 2000 024616.14+002613.9 Mag 17.5 Spectral class M3 (red) PmRA -7.00
PmDE -85.0
 
 
02463+0026 C
 
 
Coord arcsec 2000 024616.18+002614.6 Mag 17.5 Calc coord yes